Powerful Ngoni chief tells CCAP church off over beer, polygamy: ‘Ngonis will continue to booze and marry’
The powerful Ngoni chief in the north, His Majesty Inkosi ya Makhosi M’mbelwa V, has minced no words but
lashed out at the Livingstonia Synod of the CCAP Church for stopping the Ngoni from taking beer and engaging in polygamy, warning the church it risks being kicked out of his kingdom.
Speaking in Mzimba, Chief Mbelwa said the Ngonis signed a memorandum of understanding with the first missionaries of the Free Church of Scotland, now the Livingstonia synod, to allow them drink beer and marry many wives.
“The church has no mandate whatsoever to interfere in our culture, beer and polygamy is our culture. I will not hesitate to expel you from my kingdom if you continue interfering in the culture of the Ngoni people,” said the youthful fifth Chief Mbelwa.
As he spoke, traditional leaders applauded him whilst others clapped hands in support but church officials, led by general secretary Reverend Levi Nyondo, walked out of the meeting in protest.
“This memorandum was not signed by me but by my forefathers. If you continue in interfering in our culture, I will sign another memorandum with another church and expel you from my area,” warned the chief looking undisturbed with the walk outs on him.
This is the first time that the church and the chief have fallen out as they have in the past worked closely in development and other areas.
The church has several development programs in the chief’s area in education, health, agriculture, water and others.
Church officials asked for more time before making a comment but the move by the chief is likely to draw mixed reactions from his subjects as it is a divisive issue.
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HE WAS VERY DRUNK WHEN HE SAID THIS
This Time Around Let the Ngonis try ISLAM that compromises their Culture by allowing Men to marry up to FOUR Wives. As for KACHASO, we will enlighten each other about it graduaaly, ni vya Nkhondo nthena yayi – SHASHA NDI MALEMBA a Uzimu but not Myths.
“Give to God what belongs to God and give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar. ” You cannot serve two masters at once. If you know your culture or tradition doesn’t go with what the Bible says, then you’re free to live your circular life. Remember, there’s a judgement day and we will be judged by our actions.
Typical of the Mzimbas. Kukonda kuledzera ndinso kunyega too much.
Yalakwa….. Kodi ufumu umenewu bwanji? Bambo akenso ankangopanga zodukaa mutu paja musayiwale.
His argument is logical. After all, no woman is forced to marry a polygamous man nowadays. They get married at their on will. Thumbs up your highness. Let’s embrace our culture. Black consciousness on the move!
Anthu masiku ano kumavutika ndi mfumu? Kuno ku town kulibe. Kumavutika ndi ngolongoliwas, lundu, lukwa? Not these days. Bola wa MRA.
Ufumu Want udze
That’s why mzimba is lagging behind in many things even nyinda zichaliko Ku mzimba kuno because the youths don’t care of themselves apart from beer drinking and having 2 wives and fail to support them as a result mwanakazi wakuwagundila waka
Rev Nyondo,pali ponse asokoneze basi….ku Boma,ku church,mu kingdom,….no doubt munyumba mwakenso
let those without sin cast the first stone!!
Well said inkosi ,our culture was there before we were introduced to these slave traders in the name of Presbyterian…booze till Jesus arrival “if he is coming at all”.Some of these church elders are working in a carlsberg brewery production line yet they condemn drinking…Yesu anasandutsa madzi into dry red wine ,what was the wine for?be merry guys
With all due respect to the paramount chief of the Ngoni, Daniel chapter 5, has an important lesson for all rulers who talk about the worship of God with beer in their mind. God excused the ignorance of Nebuchadnezzar because he was ignorant of the power and working God. However, God did not spare his son Belshazzar BECAUSE HE DID EVIL IN THE SIGHT OF THE LORD HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE OF ALL THAT HAPPENED TO HIS FATHER NEBUCHADNEZZAR, Dan 5:22
All secular authorities must be careful to maintain a clear separation of church and state affair lest they exhaust the patience of God and learn through experience what God designs us to learn from the example of ancient Israel, 1 Corinthians 10
Inkosi, those surrounding you are not giving you good advice. You will regret your words one day. I have seen developments in Mzimba and can remind you that nearly 50% is been done by the churches you are castigating day. Chat with nice people young man. Ask your grandmother and your mother the effects of polygamy. I know and respect you because I used to advise your father. Nobody has fought the church and won the battle.
Mr China cant you see the heading “powerful Ngoni” is there anything to do with tumbuka here? maybe you are from a foreign land
One cannot tell the church what what not to preach. If you are a synod member then you must abide by their teachings; no polygamy and no bear, but if you are not a synod member, the synod will not come and force you not to marry polygamy or not to drink alcohol.
We ngonis from Ntcheu fully support out Ngwenya from mzimba. Long live the king. Long live Saulosi Chilima. Long live Ngonis
Mwana oipa kwambiri iwe!
WHEN OUR LORD,JESUS CHRIST,CAME TO EARTH WITH SALVATION MESSAGE, AS GOOD AS IT IS, IT WAS TOUGH TO BE ACCEPTED BY THE MASSES BECOZ BY THEN THE PEOPLE WERE DEEPROOTED IN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF WORSHIPING AND DEEPROOTED IN THEIR CULTURES. I FEEL WE ARE NOT BEING FAIR TO THE YOUNG KING BY BANISHING HIM AS SOMEONE BEYOND REDEMPTION. NGONIS RIGHT FM WHERE THEY CAME FM, SOUTH AFRICA, THEY ARE CULTURALY POLYGAMISTS AND BEER LOVERS UP TO TODAY. SUCH A LONG TREND IN HUMANS AT TIMES NEEDS A VERY GOOD APPROACH TO ADDRESS AND EVENTUALLY CHANGE. SUCH A STRAIGHT TALK AT A GATHERING IS LIKE BELITTLING THE GROUP THE KING LEADS AS A RESULT ALLBODY WILL TURN ON THEIR DEFENSIVE MODES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MESSAGE WAS GOOD BUT DELIVERY TO SUCH AN AUDIENCE WAS WANTING. HEROD CLEARY SAW NO FAULT IN JESUS BUT TREADED CAREFULLY IN GIVING HIS VERDICT OTHERWISE EVEN HIM COULD HAVE BEEN KILLED BY THAT GROUP WHICH BROUGHT JESUS BEFORE HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Igwe nawe ndiwe mzereza ungazomerezga va uchindere ivo. Mufwire Lumoza na munyako uyo. Church ndilo likupanga vitukuko mkaya umu, imwe kuba waka ma coupon na kutola hiv/ aids. Kupusa uko. Muli wangoni wa mahara muno not vindere imwe yayi mukhaliskenge yayi pa udindo uwo.
The Jews whom you call the children of God have a culture of polygamy. Prominent figures in the Jewish kingdoms had many wives. The Ngonis from many many years ago have been polygamous and the whites have been monogamous. Why should the whiteman bring his culture on us? You claim to have one wife but how many zibwenzi do you have which your wives do not know? Better to be open than doing it in secret. It is our culture as it is among the Jews up to today. The chief is speaking as a Ngoni not as a Christian. Were there no people with more than one wife the time when God loved the Jews most?
That’s for real Hatton ,,our culture is more important than the Scottish doctrine ….
I understand the Paramount is a university graduate, if it so then he should have known the importance of diplomacy in his communication and realise the importance of balancing between his culture and dignity of women in society who are normally victims of polygamy. He is a big embarrassment to modern life
Well-said. Some of the elements of these cultures are retrogressive.
A mayakhula atalezera ameneyo.
its our culture please leave us alone oky?
Women in polygamous marriages sleep with other men whilst their husband is away. Mutenga nazo HIV-AIDS. Polygamny mukapangira kumanda.
Nanunso a Nyasatimes kupanga exaggerate,how powerful is he???. This chief is confused,the church should in no way bow to these Ngoni people who think they are bigger than God,who do they think they are. CCAP can not and will not be expelled from his so-called kingdom(which i doubt it is). Mzimba is in Malawi and our constitution provide for freedom of worship,so this young man should not think he is bigger than the laws of this country,let alone thinking he is bigger than God.
Mbwenumbwenuzi tsopano ayisovenge atumbuka yanu yija
Mr China, this discussion is about Ngonis, and not Tumbukas. Kungozolowera HATRED kwa Atumbuka basi. Pliz change your mindset, and be civilised
Fans iyi siidzatheka. Always argumentative and constructing storms out of a cup of tea.
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Stop blaming the young chief, he us only the custodian of his culture. As a leader he vowed to fight for the interest of his subjects.
I find nothing wrong in his sentiments especially in the face of a memorandum that was agreed and signed between two parties whether it was long ago. If the church feels the memorandum shouldn’t hold anymore then why can’t they invite the chief and his indunas for a reviewal round table discussion.
Otherwise it’s insane to start calling the chief all sorts of names. Come to think of it how many of people even you are having a bunch of concubines, are you all ngonis? How many of you commenting and out there are in polygamy, are you all ngonis? Better still how many of you drink beer like fish, are you all ngonis? Tell me are allllrell these people involved in marital scandals ngonis alone?
Check what comments you are putting forward. Be rational the manner you analyse the story. Kudana ndi angoni chani. If you talk of developments the church has done to the community should it be allllrell reviewal reason for them to behave in that manner . As a country we had Cochrane Dyet a UK ambassador but we chased him away because of his contrary conduct. Ndiye tisekerere zopusa?
Bravo Chief Mbelwa V. Asiye ayankhule.
This young man is very stupid. I am ashamed to be a Ngoni from Mzimba uwu mbu zeleza weneko. Please slow down this is not 1800 wake up young man
Uyakhuluma iqiniso, Inkosi
This is disgraceful.The ngoni chief might be talking sense but the approach is out of order.
We don’t sign MoUs with God things. We obey God things whether you are a chief or not. We don’t follow democracy when it is something to do with the word of God.
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Does this idiot know how many schools, hospitals, health centres, agricultural projects the church has in his “kingdom”? This is the beginning of the fall, mark my words. The church should not bow down to this idiot.
Malawi’s problems are not because of our leaders but backward cultures like these. Polygamy is bad for women because it relegates them to depending on men. We need women to be doctors, lawyers like Madame Kachale, to be ministers etc not to just be the object of men. Polygamy encourages the spread of HIV and AIDS because the idea that a woman can wait for one man to go around with other wives is false. Women in polygamous marriages help themselves with other men. As a result, our country will continue to suffer from the negative effects of stupid cultural beliefs like these brought about by backwardness.
Paja mfumu imeneyi imakonda kukhala mu LL ndi zibwenzi kusiya his wife ku Edingeni. Remember how his father behaved. He died from zomwezi
Mukamafa osati akulodzani ayi. Akazi mukuyenda nawo aja ambiri ali HIV positive. Tikuonelani zaka zake ndi zino
Which church is willing to sign a Mou with M’belwa. I know there some churches allow their members to drink even the clergy. yes, try those. The chief things he is more powerful than the church just because the church operates in his area. this man really thinks he owns anything in this world? where is his father Inkosi ya ma kosi? It is these silly titles that make you think highly of yourself. you are just a mortal man.
I conquer with you man,a normal person can not chase people from his kingdom because of being advised to stop the bad things.Those cultures are the ones spreading HIV/AIDS in this world
Use condoms man ,HIV is everywhere its not the ngoni’s spreading or promoting ..bwanji Ku mlakho atsikana marble pamtunda kunyakhula ngati ??????..Ariva fisi waku nsanjei ,he is all about sex ..The ngoni’s is about marrying several wife’s not fucking several young girls..Big up Inkosi
Mufwenge na edzi wa ngoni mose, paja nyerere yokonda sugar imayamba kuzungulira pa mulomo wa kapu kenako mkugwera momo.
Is it military power or what? Enlighten us please
Khuluma we sizwe Inkosi ya makhosi yedu
This demonstrates how shallow young men (babies) can be in their thinking. thinking like a primitive man. you have no kingdom M’belwa and you are not a king but just a chief. The people your grandfather signed the MoU with are no longer part of our country. There are so many ngonis who do not drink and they are in a monogamous marriage, so do not hide behind culture to promote your evil ideologies. If you want to drink just drink. The Church is there to preach the gospel. You don’t have to agree with it. By the way, what will your people achieve from polygamy and binge drinking? Silly cow.
Silly yourself. He is saying the church should not interfere with their culture. If you don’t like it, that is your shauli. They like it and are proud
Ndi mwana wa khanda uyu.Wangokonda mowa ndi akazi.
Mr Chief, be reminded that the kingdom you are talking about is not your, it is for the King of Kings who is the Almighty Father in heaven Himself. Mwatikhumudwitsa a chief, you must be an educated savage
That’s why I can concur with Goodall Gondwe that babies cannot be given national responsibilities. Look now what this bebe Ngoni King is saying.
When DPP says that babies can not run government then tizikana ndimomwe mnyamata nzathu Mbelwa wayankhuliramu? Achinyamata mukuona bwanji pamenepa.