Pope Francis defeated on gays: Is God not homophobic after all?
Pope Francis is probably not really amused, after a proposal for wider acceptance of homosexuals in the Catholic Church failed to secure the synodical majority vote of two-thirds, on Saturday, October 18 2014.
The issue of gays has stolen the spotlight at Vatican since Pope Francis took over from Benedict XV who officially resigned on February 28, 2013. For instance, in July 2013 Pope Francis made headlines across the globe while on his way back from Brazil on his first foreign trip when he said, “If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?” The Pope was responding to a question on gay priests. Surprisingly, these liberal and ‘tolerant’ views towards same sex practices are becoming popular even among members of the clergy of various Christian denominations and congregations across Africa.
After Nigeria passed the Anti gay marriage bill in January 2014, the renowned Nigerian Prophet TB Joshua, responded to the issue of gays by citing from the Gospel according to Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, so that you will not be judged.”- The same words the Pope uttered. And while responding to President Yoweri Museveni’s signing of a bill in February 2014, which when passed would further criminalize homosexuality with a life sentence in Uganda, the fiercely vocal gay rights campaigner, South African Archbishop, Desmond Tutu, argued that “there is no scientific basis or genetic rationale for love. There is only the grace of God. There is no scientific justification for prejudice and discrimination, ever.”
Tutu also claimed that he would not worship a God who is homophobic, and that he would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven, and prefer to go to the opposite-hell. Tutu is also quoted to have claimed that, it is God who compels him to fight for gay rights.
But what concerns me the most, is that, are these highly trusted men of God, leading us into the right direction, with regards to the authority of the Bible on homosexuality? Does each one of us need to personally consult the scripture on same sex, or simply take the counsels of the men of God; and refrain from ‘judging?’- And when the Bible says do not judge, does it mean we must not call sin by its right name?
While addressing the Church at Corinth, the great city of commerce and debauchery, in the mid-first century, in 1Corinthians 6:9-10 (NIV) Apostle Paul confronts the Corinthians with a rhetorical question; “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?” And then he admonishes, “Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”
Paul warns believers that no one must deceive them; homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. Paul puts homosexuality among sins like theft, drunkenness, and adultery. Now, if we tell an adulterer that he or she is an adulterer, then are we judging them? If we tell them, that they are sinners, then are we judging them? or we are simply telling them what they really are according to Biblical definition of their behaviour?
I know there are pro-gay rights Bible scholars, exegetes and commentators, even among members of the clergy and Christian theologians across the world, that claim that none of the Bible texts that Christians use against homosexuality addresses consensual same sex practices, which is the contemporary homosexuality debate. Peter J.Gomes a homosexual Baptist Pastor claims that, “the use of the Bible to condemn homosexuality is the end result of simplistic interpretative methods that reflect a failure to comprehend the context in which the Scriptures were written.” These exegetes, attempt to look into the historical contexts and cultural setup of the texts that condemn homosexuality, and deny that those texts do not condemn consensual homosexuality, and neither do they address the question of sexuality and gender as contemporary homosexuality does.
For instance, they allege that the story of Sodom and Gomorrah in Genesis Chapter 19 is not about homosexuality, but about “inhospitality and rape,” And that male homosexuality was a tradition whereby the aristocratic men of Sodom and Gomorrah expressed dominance on other men and strangers. But Jude, the half-brother of Jesus Christ, endorses on Jude 1:7 (KJV) that, “ Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.” This means that the story is about homosexuality, as much as it is about clear inhospitality and attempted gang rape which are central to the story too.
The pro-gay Bible scholars also claim that the other homosexual texts refer to sexual immorality or cultic male prostitution as in the cases of same sex practices at Corinth, and even gayism and lesbians in Rome.-by the way, it is only in the book of Romans, where the Bible clearly exposes and denounces same sex relations between women, or lesbianism alongside male homosexuality. On Romans Chapter 1: 26-27(NIV) Paul says, “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.”
These pro gay rights Bible scholars and exegetes are very correct that the Bible does not address same sex practices in with regards to consensual sex between adults that are believed to be in love, or same sex practices between people that are believed to be naturally disposed to sexual feelings towards people of the same sex. Unfortunately, Leviticus 18:22 (KJV) says that “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.” Here the Bible imposes a general ban on same sex between males. There is no suggestion whatsoever in this verse, that there are permissible situations where same sex might be exempted. Therefore, consensual or non-consensual, love or presumptuous natural disposition, are not an excuse for the practice or acceptance of same sex.
It is also important to understand that while the political world is dragging the church into its unscriptural ideologies of human rights, tolerance, and non discrimination, the world has no evidence whatsoever, that homosexuals are born that way. Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder, until recently in 1973 when the American Psychiatric Association removed it from the list of mental disorders, and two years later, in 1975 the American Psychological Association did the same. Unfortunately, the reason homosexuality was removed from the list of mental disorders was not because of any discovery of truth or some scientific breakthrough on the real cause or nature. It was as a result of political pressure and expedience.
But the Bible tells us what causes homosexuality. The Bible is clear, and tells us that homosexuality, just like theft, adultery, fornication, drunkenness, is caused by “ sinful desires of the heart,” according to Romans 1:24(NIV). That is why, Paul welcome homosexuals into the Church at Corinth as any sinner but warned them never to practice homosexuality again because, they were now “washed, sanctified, and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of God”- Romans 6:11(NIV). Therefore, it is not a bother when homosexuals indulge in same sex practices outside the church, (they can even have their rights there) the Bible does not allow them to continue, when they become members of the Christian faith.
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THE LAWS OF THE LAND CONDEMNS THE INDECENT ACT (HOMOSEXUALITY), THEFT, ROBBERY, ETC. AND THE SAME THING APPLIES TO THE WORD OF GOD AND IT INCLUDES EVEN PROSTITUTION. SO THE ISSUE OF HOMOSEXUALITY OR PEOPLE WHO ARE PRACTISING IT SHOULD NOT DRAG THE WHOLE NATION OR COUNTRY OR EVEN THE WORLD DUE TO SOMEONE WHO IS MORALLY WEAK. IF THEY ARE INTERESTED IN DOING IT LET THEM DO IT IN SECRET LIKE THOSE OTHER SINS THAN PROPAGATING TO THE WORLD THAT SHOULD ACCEPT THAT SIN AS A STANDARD OF THE HUMAN NATURE. SCIENTIST HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THIS AS A LIE. ONE CAN LIVE WITHOUT IT AND THERE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. IT IS A PSYCHATRIC ISSUE (MADNESS AT ITS BEST WHERE THEY NEED SOMEONE TO HELP THEM MORALLY AND SPIRITUALLY). THIS ISSUE IF IT IS LEGALIZED OR ACCEPTED. IN FUTURE YOU WILL HEAR ALSO THAT THIEVES ALSO WANTS THEIR RIGHTS. PLEASE GUYS WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS AND NEVER. EVEN AT AN EXPENSE OF POVERTY. NEVER NEVER NEVER. POPE YOU ARE A DISGRACE TO THE CHRISTIANS AND TO THE CATHOLICS.
Remember in the garden of Eden, It was the devil that justifies to eve that eating the forbidden fruit will not anger God — and what happens at the end — all the glory was taken away from them & sinfulness come into existence. You know what, by then the devil knew that if mankind continues to leave in the way god has made them, then he will be punished alone. He managed to pull us out of the garden into this fallen world.
Now that the end time is coming near — the devil sees that there are still more people in the church & the church(Christianity) is the only hope people have as far as the end of this world is concerned — the devil is still deceiving people to eat the more forbidden fruits in this fallen world — one of which is this same sex relationships — he is deceiving everybody: women, men, pastors, bishops etc. until we get to a point that the fruit is swallowed & is in the stomach — then another set problems will come upon mankind ( the grace of god that we have now will be taken away). Let me ask one question – to those people advocating for homosexuality: I know you can justify homosexuality to me using many different books including the bible and I know you know the bible and you have more knowledge than me, MY QUESTION IS: HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY HOMOSEXUALITY BEFORE GOD HIMSELF? –CAN YOU STAND BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD ALMIGHTY KING OF THE WHOLE CREATION AND CONVICE HIM ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY? CAN YOU TELL HIM THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS WORLD BETTER THAN HIM? WHO DO YOU THINK PEOPLE SHOULD FOLLOW BETWEEN YOU AND JESUS?
What you should know is: Your wishes are your dreams but your dreams is not GODs wishes!.
Remember in the garden of Eden, It was the devil that justifies to eve that eating the forbidden fruit will not anger God — and what happens at the end — all the glory was taken away from them & sinfulness come into existence. You know what, by then the devil knew that if mankind continues to leave in the way god has made them, then he will be punished alone. He managed to pull us out of the garden into this fallen world.
Now that the end time is coming near — the devil sees that there are still more people in the church & the church(Christianity) is the only hope people have as far as the end of this world is concerned — the devil is still deceiving people to eat the more forbidden fruits in this fallen world — one of which is this same sex relationships — he is deceiving everybody: women, men, pastors, bishops etc. until we get to a point that the fruit is swallowed & is in the stomach — then another set problems will come upon mankind ( the grace of god that we have now will be taken away). Let me ask one question – to those people advocating for homosexuality: I know you can justify homosexuality to me using many different books including the bible and I know you know the bible and you have more knowledge than me, MY QUESTION IS: HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY HOMOSEXUALITY BEFORE GOD HIMSELF? –CAN YOU STAND BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD ALMIGHTY KING OF THE WHOLE CREATION AND CONVICE HIM ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY? CAN YOU TELL HIM THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS WORLD BETTER THAN HIM? WHO DO YOU THINK PEOPLE SHOULD FOLLOW BETWEEN YOU AND JESUS?
These are clear signs of the end of the time. Brethren be alert.
who ever is a gay or aresbian God will conderm him or she sartan is happy with you
The way the quaran teaches and advocates mass killing of innocent people. moslems read the quaran and extract vases from it to justify the unnecessary killings they make. they kill in the name of their Allah The devil at work.
I love Islam and I’m proud to be a Moslem, contradiction in qur’an, and no1 can apply his knowledge in a rulers and regulation of islam
Dear brothers and sisters of the World in the name of God! I would like to thank the writer of this story, it is interesting that men and women of God have been decieved by the devil, no one has been spared. To start with, is how we understand the Bible or may be it is very difficult for many. God created humans in a very simple way, and we made ourselves complicated,”the Bible says so”. It starts by accepting the devil, thrugh Adam and Eve the Devil was received and glorified. In the book of Matthew Jesus was telling his desciples that when he sent them out they did not carry their parse, wear sandals, carry water, but now they have to because the Devil has been ginen permission. Warning: The vocals of the cregy men and women that support gays/ lesbians which the Bible outlines it as sin are signs that the Devil is at work. Sin cannot be justified as judging, that is using wrong words at wrong things, when someone says this is wrong does not mean he is judging because our reference is the Bible, so these Human rights people they have their own references. As long as Christians are concerned, the Bible is our reference. Amen!!!!
That’s the way they tampered with sabbath day pope Gregory declared sunday the first day of the week in the bible as sabbath,do not surprised that he has softens homosexual n lesbian her daughters will follow her ie Tutu ,TB joshua. With her allied America ,read Rev 13v 1 -17,Dan 7v25 woipayo tamudziwa! Get out of babylon My friends hell is for them.
It looks like someone is completely ignorant of the fact that RELIGION is man-made and NOT GOD’s creation. GOD created the Earth, the Sun, the Moon and Life. There is no confusion about the above. Man created RELIGION hence the confusion.
Wake up from your stupid reasoning!!!!
Its nonsense to have this selective quotations of the bible-for instance the pope is quoting apostle John-who says “judge not and you shall not be judged” yet they are judging us on everything i.e if Iam stealing, committing adultery, fornication etc I should not be judged…NOT SO?
What’s the implication of this on the doctrine of the ‘infallibility of the pope’. Has the pope become fallible? You have bn teaching us that the pope cannot go wrong. ‘ndipo eklesia wanu sangathe kulakwa’. Can somebody catechise me pls!
You, and not only you, are new to Christianity. It has a 2000 year history, ever changing, ever developing, to suit whatever the particular power at the time says. I say that you are new to Christianity because Malawi has a Christian history of less than 150 years, which is nothing in the scheme of things.
Christianity in the rest of the world is very different and much more developed that that which Malawi has been given. You have been force fed a simplified and basic starter pack. You are still in infant school. If you really want to learn about Christian theology then stop listening to American fundamentalist preachers and hard core Opus Dei Catholic Rottweillers and move back to the gospels, where there is no pope, no priest, no church and no hatred, just the injunction to love and respect all people regardless. Ulemu
Official title ya papa ndi ‘Mlowam’malo wa Khristu pa dziko lina la pansi. Mu chilatini ndi VICARIUS FILII DEI. Mukawerengela malemba onsewa ndi kuphatikiza amakwana 666 (V=5), (I=1), (C=100), (U=5), (D=500), (L=50). Malemba enawo alibe nambala. Ma i alipo 6 =6, pali C=100 m’modzi, L=50 m’modzinso ma V kapena kuti U awiri = 10 ndi D m’modzi =500. Totolo ya 6+100+50+10+500 ndi 666.
Owerenga khala maso. Whether it is TB Joshua, Tutu or Papa, nkhani ndi yakuti onse ndi amodzi akungophimba anthu m’maso.
Wether it is descrimination or not but we say NO to homosexual. Even if all the churches say yes but the Bible clearly says NO to gaysim.
ANU A CATHOLIC NDINU MBUZI AIT NTCHITO MOWA NDI MAHULE MUPITA MUWONA DZITSIRU ZA ANA INU NDIPATI BAIBULO POMWE MUNAMVA KUTI MAMUNA NDI MAMUNA AKWATILANA PA MATAKO PANU NONSE
My fellow Malawians and people worldwide, please read Leviticus 20:13 for yourselves the word of God. Satan is at work here if you are not careful by promoting this sinful act. Had God not created a man and a woman, would these people advocating for this shit have been born and doing things against God’s law?
Are you really that simple? Do you not know that for hundreds of years the church used the bible to justify slavery, racism and murder?
That’s why we Muslims believe that Bible is corrupted is not its original form,what we should know is that they were Desmond Tutu’s of those days who Misled people ,changed scriptures to suit their own desire
Qur’an is in its authentic form because from the very beginning it was memorized by heart
Proudly Muslim
Imraan Sadick
Islam is not a religion. There is no Saviour in Islam. So don’t be proud where you can not be saved! Look to Jesus Christ!
koma chisilamuchonso ndiye ayi. sichisiyana ndi munthu wakunja.
One thing we must all remember is that Jesus Christ came for sinners not righteous men and women and so is the church’s mission to save sinners so that through the grace of God Almight our sins are forgiven and eventually we are saved….so many times we condem others because their sons are on the front line printed on their foreheads…but imagine if our sins were printed on the forehead how many of these churches would fill to capacity if we were to discriminate sinners….remember Jesus words ” I came for sinners so that they are saved”…..and indeed do not judge others for you will be judged accordingly.
.we are all sinners seeking the grace of God Almighty
Chala sichiloza mwini. Nsomba ikaola imodzi zaola zonse. Fellow Nyasas we are missing a very important lesson from Sodom and Gomorrah. When a society turns away from God He leaves them to their own devices and that society becomes decadent, rife with graft, murder, corruption, man’s inhumanity to man, and so on. Sounds familiar? If homosexuality is that single rotten fish in the pile, you know the condition of the rest of the fish. “Come, let us return to the Lord. For he has torn us, but he will heal us; he has wounded us, but he will bandage us”(Hosea 6:1); “Yet even now, declares the Lord, return to me with all your heart, and with fasting , and with weeping, and with mourning”(Joel 2:12)
Are you for real?
Catholic church planed and faunded with group of Satanic no wonder today those same People they following their gods masters. Most of them are gayz raping small boys. Praying scareton borns of human being. That is not right To those are beleave realy god. I am proud To Be a muslim that we Will not allow New thing To Be mess our beleaver
…kobibila mkobibila basi,amene angakugwitse ntchito ina ndiokonda nyasi, pool!
Let them come to church,but what l can rebuke is to let them be the church leaders. That will mean all who are doing unnecessary things should be included too,what a mess?That’s why sometimes l like Muslims because they don’t compromise as us Christians.
Kodi ndi chifukwa chiyani mulungu analenga mwamuna ndi m’kazi? Inu Acatholic ndinudi mumawopadi mulungu? Kodi baibulo lomwe ndi mau amulungu likunena zotani pankhani za ukwati wamuna kapena akazi wokha wokha? Inu Acatholic mwayiwala zomwe zinachitika kwa anthu aku sodom ndi gomola? Musalowetse zachikunja mu m’pingo wanu, mulungu akukana ukwati wamuna kapena akazi wokhawokha, ife asilamu timatsata kwambiri quran, ndipo bukhu lathu la qurani likukana za ukwati umenewu, ndipo muchisilamu mulibe u gay, chonde amalawi tisalore zonyatsa zimenezo.
Always Catholics are leaders in permitting evil and you nyasa people don’t say pope so so is defeated on gays but say pope’s agenda on gays went unopposed.Mulungu siwa katolika God is for every living church including African yakobo,chipangano,Abraham,African Emmanuel,malingaka,Zion bata ndi Ena ambiri ndiye musapenga zoti ma church amenewa azitsata.Let holy bible be our guiding principle not izi za anti Christ.
This is a very complex subject matter and “simple” preconceived literature reviews will not do.
Homosexuality is definitely a sin, as per the Bible; but before I can condemn homosexuals, I must first become a Saint or a Sage or a Seer.
Until that happens, I must let homosexuals be who they are.
The Pope and Bishop Tutu are right; homosexuals should be accepted in the Church; for how do they get saved if they continue to face “unwarranted” discrimination.
The Pope does not represent God nor does He represent Christianity. He represents the Catholic Church.
I feel sorry for my Christian brethren n sistren. Your so called Men Of GOD do not let you read the bible for yourself and ask the guidance from your Lord. (why wait for sunday to ask for forgiveness, or go to some fell who is drunk to listen to your confessions behind a hidden cabin, yet NONE amongst you knows when death will come). Challenge with blind following is that even when you know you are heading into a ditch, subwelera. Onena akale anati, pakadafunda padajiwitsa galu.
there is no need for debate about this issue, it is immoral and it shall remain as it is. Mukalola maganizo a mabishopo anuwo, mudziwe kuti musiya kuberekana, ana anu (amuna) azikwelana okhaokha similarly akazi, kenako tidzamva kuti wina wakwata atatu wache. Signs of the times indeed, uku mukuchepetsa chiwelengero chanu padziko lapansi.
Munayamba kuloleza mowa, Mahule, fodya, celibacy ( mwina pobisalira u gay wanuwo, no wonder mumanyenga tiwana tating’ono – both innocent boys n girls, with no shame), what has been the outcome???. kukwerana ndi sista pa airport? Kusiya ana mmidzimu ndikumanamizira kuti ndi amasiye? unsafe abortions? kenako mudziti tikufuna kuteteza miyoyo ya azimai? tell me, who amongst married women would opt for abortion? (only mwina atadwala matenda aakulu chabwino). AIDS mwafalitsa mwakathithi. what else do you need from mankind. If you ask for statistics, tikudziwa kuti kukhalira info ndi policy yanu.
Alolezeni anthu anu kuti aziwerenga baibulo kuti amudziwe Mulungu weniweni. Osati zimene mukukamba apazi. Mulungu uyu ndi wa aliyense and kupembedzaku is for our own benefit. Musaiwale, kumwambako aliyense azikalowa yekha yekha. Sikuti muzikanamizira kuti a Tutu ndi amene amatiuza, aliyense will be responsible for akatundu ake. Make your effort to know who your GOD is, the rest will easily fall into place.
peace to you all mi Malawian Brethren N Sistren. My GOD is an everliving GOD, ready to accept your repentance and free you from your bondage. Pray with me
Our father who art in Heaven
Hallowed by thy name
thy kingdom come
thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven
give us this day our daily bread
and forgive us our trespasses
As we forgive those who trespass against us
Lead us not into temptation
But deliver us from all evil
For thine is the kingdom
the power and Glory
Forever and ever
AMEN.
if gay is a natural act then we would see productivity, fruits out of it -children being born of this. but lack of reproduction proves in itself that these acts are unnatural. no question about it. kodi does this happen in the animal kingdom? maybe this can enlighten us humans.
Men and women engaging in same sex sexual union are worse than dogs or pigs. If wild animals are able to choose partiners from opposite sex what good does a man or woman get from kufakana ku nyelo? Surely wiping someones asses under pretext of sexual satsifaction? Take out religion for the time being but look at the thinking of these gays/lesbians, are they normal? What has your fellow man/woman got to raise your sexual desires? Which science book says that Ku nyelo is a sexual.
God is watching you and will punish accordingly regardless what u r in this planet , don’t use the church to fulfil your sins as rights .Becareful the ending is near .
GOD ALREADY JURGED THAT THOSE PRACTISING SAME SEX MARRIAGES SHOULD BE KILLED.
if God were to accept gay marriages then he would have not created a man and a woman. If Pope is sidelining the gays, i must admit that we are lost.
I hope there is difference between naming and judging. Do not make mistake here because it is all clear to those who really believe in God for those who dont just pull out and start what you think is right laws, commandments will bend to no one.ia m sorry to gays form your own church write your bible you are already huge in number choose yourself god who wil intertain these practices.
Tengupenya the fact that your Christian conscience is corrupted because of homosexual practices should not make you lose sight of the fact that the union that God established and blessed is of a man and a woman. Homosexuality is against human nature and a sin according to revealed truth. Read Gen 1:27-28;18:20,Mt 19:4-6. The Word of God will not change because of wicked modern trends which are a fruit of secularism. Open ua eyes of faith.
Already the Word of God is judging , you are not babies but grownups so do what is good to praise the mighty GOD. Is GOD Abnomal to create man and woman?”Chonde tiyeni tipeleke ulemu kwa MULUNGU pokwaniritsa cholinga chake tisazondotse cholinga chake c
Tengupenya the fact that your Christian conscience is corrupted because of your homosexual practices you should not lose sight of the fact that the union that God established and blessed is of a man and a woman. Homosexuality is against human nature and a sin according to revealed truth. Read Gen 1:27-28;18:20,Mt 19:4-6. The Word of God will not change because of wicked modern trends which are a fruit of secularism. Open ua eyes of faith.
Mathew 7:1, do not judge that you will be judged,however,a sin remains a sin no matter who do it,how it is done and where it is done.As Christians,the Bible is the standard for social and moral values,in view of this,let us examine Romans 1:18-32 to see what lessons can be drawn from there.
God this could be your time to deal with this world.Idont understand to sat that if i tell gay or lesbian that are sinners.Am i judging or am saying the facts.Where are we going. I better die poor than being used
nkhaniyi ndiyovuta,tiyeni tiwaleke opangawo azipanga after all people do mastubation so chigololo ndi maganizo,as others have said leave those gays/lesbians if they feel satified let them continue
Za chamba basi mukuona ngati mulungu ndi opusa? Chili chonse chili ndi malo ache osamasokoneza mpaka kumalowesana pakunya.
#1 and 2. I doubt if you are Christains. You are so devilish and if it were in the days of Sodom and Gomola, you were worthy of hail fire that consumed those cities because of homosexuality and all sorts of sins. To hell with your advice. Do full real and genuinely sanctified Christians.
A well written article by L Sibande.
The reason why homosexuality is an abomination is because God has said so. No common sense reasoning or rationalisation makes sense.
‘If you love me, keep my Commandments’ is an eternal edict which cannot be tampered with.
‘So saith the Lord’ will forever be the torch that leads the true believer on the path of righteousness. This issue is not complicated, but it is the human mind that brings confusion where there is no confusion.
A well written text which will make gays think twice. In fact gays want to convince the church that homosexuality is not a sin. Let them do it outside the church. It is like allowing prostitutes, thieves, etc, practiced within the church. Your title ‘Francis defeated’, however is misplaced. At no point has the pope advanced that agenda, but as leader has answered questions from gay journalists who were trying to ‘trap’ him. Every sinner (gays included) is welcome into the church but should seek repentance. That was the pope’s message.
Now everyone can see for themselves who true men of God are.If its not in the Bible its not from God.Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of the same behaviour.The Bible is clear one man one woman.All these bishops are not getting it from God because its not there in the Bible.
As I said in my earlier comment on this issue, I say it again ” It is Foolishness to keep on arguing on this issue”. Do not pretend that you are wiser than God to bring all these unnecessary arguments about the gay / lesbian thing. If you pretend to be wiser than God, you only end up to be the worst fool because the wisdom of man is all foolishness. All those who quote what Bishop Tutu and Bishop / Pope Francis are saying should know that all these are men and can only argue as men with limited wisdom and soon they will die and go to hell. The one who said you will surely die is the same who says this whole thing is an abomination to Him.
Ngati nkhani nja ndarama tangodyani ndaramazo and die without peace!
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Zisiyesi tiligu ndi namusongole zikulile limonzi,Mwini wake ndamene azaweluze bolani kumawalalikila uthenga wabwino wa cholinga cha mulungu pomulengela adamu kuti akhale ndi mkazi.
I strongly hundred percent agree with Good win Sibande.
That’s what exactly Bible explain about the (gays) or homosexual.
This world is lacking such kind of people who know the truth.
In John 8 vs 32 says. And ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.
Remember the Bible says if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto the plagues that are written in this book. And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. (Revelation 22 vs 18- 19)
And in proverbs 29 vs 1 said He that being often reproved hardened his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.
Pharaoh did the same thing. (Exodus 7 vs 14)
Tengupenya you dont know what you are bringing to your poor soul.
IS THE POPE ALSO A HOMOSEXUALIST?
This is the sign of the coming of our Lord Jesus!how could one claim to be Godly man and encourage homosexuality if I were his followers i would stop and choose the right way.everyone who encourage homosexuality is not guided by the holy spirit and their wages is just as it was in Sodom and Gomorrah and by saying this am not judging but saying what is in the bible am surprised how could one prefer to go to hell than heaven people wake up no matter what if we want to have eternal life we should follow what God is telling us we were created in His Image you know GOD IS Eternal,supernal ,good all the time,wonderful counselor Lord of lords,King OF kings,NONE IS ABOVE HIM EVEN POPE HIMSELF.Choose whom you want to obey but i would ask all of you to obey God including you so called church leaders REPENT AND BE BAPTIZED THE JUDGEMENT IS JUST NEAR christian make use of your bibles.
tengupenya must be a Catholic priest. he is busy defending this sinful act. pliz I urge U to ask God to open your eyes and see why it is sinful to practise this. God forbid.
lets god almighty be our judge..
LET THEM WHO HAVE EARS HEAR AND THOSE WHO HAVE EYES SEE WHAT THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD SAID AND STILL SAYS TODAY AND FOREVER !! AMEN
Pope Francis was not defeated. The synod just confirmed the homophobias in the Church. As the Church has chosen to be democratic, the Pope must canvass deep understanding of the issue among the synod. As Pope John Paul II in practice freed (to some telling extent) the dictates against the spiritual (charismatic) movement within the Church, so too Pope Francis will ease the homophobia. It is a matter of time. Key strategic moves towards winning the thought and vote of the synod will include stamping out child abuse of boys by gay Priests by enforcing the celibacy standard. Celibacy means abstinence from sex of any kind (gay/lesbian or straight). Priests who want to partake of sex should cross over to the cousin legions of Anglicanism or other. Catholic standard of priesthood has not changed: the priests are married to the Church and not to humans!
So what are you saying?
To the moralist Christians and other members of other religions opposed to gay/lesbian sex, we put it to you that if homosexuality is sin, then so too is all sexuality. further, we put it to you that just as the straight men and women enter the union of marriage to sanctify sex between them, so too, gay/lesbian people want to avoid the sin of adultery or the antisocial behaviour of sex outside recognized unions of pairs of adults or multiple lovers by going into socially recognised unions. What is good of sexuality in marriage between men and women is similarly good in socially recognised unions of gays/lesbians. If marriage sanctifies sex between men and women, so too unions of gays/lesbians must sanctify sexuality between the parties to the union. After all, the sexuality will be practiced in private, outside the view of the public just as married men/women do. For the rest, leave it to God to judge.
Listen to yourself! Trying so hard to justify the unjustifiable. No true christian will ever accept this nonsense you are trying so hard to impose on mankind today. Devils advocates. I declare holy war unto thee.
You seem to be confused.
You are right if you are talking from a Political point of view, unfortunatelly this story is from a religious point of view, and from the word go your argument is flawed.
Even in this political world, we realize that you can not take someone to court, when they breach a contract which was illigal to start with.
You are trying to legalize a contract that is illegal to start with.
My take is, if the church does not want, because of being a homosexhual, why not start your own religius gathering and call it a church of “GAYs” Why insist on pestering others who make it very clear they do not want you in their midist?
A sinple question, supposed the world went crazy, and decided all Gays be given a country of their own, they can do what they want there, How many years doe you think such a country will exist?, and if we mixed men and women Gays, will there be no children born there?
Bullshit and rubbish. God never created what you hasten to support as gay/lesbian sexual activities.
The issue of sin is not discussed when you yourself are not born again. What needs to be discussed initially is how do we live a life that pleases God, it is only then that one would understand this thing called sin